I agree, plenty spout off the magnuson moss act. But in reality it does not mean squat. these companies know what they are doing. If they dont want to fix something they wont. The will run you in circles forever. These companies have more lawyers then some countries and they can kill people basically from items they knew were bad and still get away with it. but people think they can fight over a tire or pipe or something and go oh magnasun moss and these companies will just cave and go ok sorry we will fix it.I'd love to see someone who spit out 'Magnuson moss' and got the manufacturer to honor warranty on a previously tuned car.
I'm just speaking from 20 years of modding experience and a ton of experience with different dealerships.
Simple Google searches will tell you what you don't want to hear, but it is how it is.
https://www.stage3motorsports.com/Stage-3s-Stance-Tuning-Your-Vehicles-Warranty.html
dealers sell certified pre owned usually have extended warranties to entice people to buy used cars from the them. I traded my old civic in that had been tuned and modified while i had it, returned to stock and it had a extended warranty tacked on when the dealership sold it.Explain...
Can't they just say you tuned it after purchasing it as a cpo car and then void the warranty lol. Stealerships will find a way. They make so much more off of 'out-of-pocket' than warranty work.dealers sell certified pre owned usually have extended warranties to entice people to buy used cars from the them. I traded my old civic in that had been tuned and modified while i had it, returned to stock and it had a extended warranty tacked on when the dealership sold it.
"BuT mAgNAsoN-mOsS...."director at a dealership here, figured id chime in. when you bring a modified vehicle in with an issue such as a blown engine, a tech inspects it and reports what they find to corporate. corporate makes the tech run tests and 9 out of 10 times, they send a factory rep out to make the call whether or not it'll be covered under warranty. if/when they run the ecu through their system and see its flashed, you 10000000000% will not have your repair covered
we hear that often with mustang guys lol"BuT mAgNAsoN-mOsS...."
I cringe when I hear those words
That's really the big questionIf they somehow knew it was jailbroken, you could potentially end up in a big fight if you have a major engine failure. Honda does not care if you are the first or second buyer, and it doesn't matter if it's a Honda dealership reselling it. Even though jailbreaking in and of itself is safe, they could still argue that tampering with the ECU in any way could cause unknown problems throughout the powertrain.
However.. While the technicians they send out can tell if it's on the stock binary and how many miles it's been since a flash, they can't tell if it's jailbroken without plugging in a Hondata or KTuner unit themselves. It's also very unlikely they're going to be checking your ECU that deeply unless you have a MAJOR failure or you're rocking Hondata badges all over.
I haven't heard of anyone actually running into this scenario since the platform was released.
If they send out a factory rep with Bosch diagnostics, which they will for any major engine work, they'll possibly see it's jailbroken and try to deny your claim. Doesn't matter if you're the second owner or if there was only a conservative tune on there for a short period.So yes the argument of getting a major repair warrantied if you run a tune in your car than try to reflash back to stock is pretty straight forward as something in most cases that is not going to happen. That I think most of us can agree one. The argument can then be said that you pay to pay sometimes and hope for the best. I think regardless of car that has always been the case and will always be debated till the end in every forum.
But this question is something different. What about the rarer situation where the car was reflashed something small stage 0 or 1 for original owner than put back to stock for the sale. Than new driver owns and drives the car for a month or months with no reflash what so ever since they took over ownership, than go to take it into the dealer for warranty work.
Now in this case the dealer would not find any recent tampering or signs of being reset or flashed because 2nd owner did nothing of the sort. It could be months since the last owner did a flash. But the ECU would have to still be jailbroken from the original owner, can't undo that. Or can you? In this case does the ECU alone being jail broken with no recent flashes come up as a red flag despite doing the right thing and using stock tune since 2nd ownership? Is it something they can even look for and see? So basically they would have to find distant reflashes and jail broken ECU as there would be no other foul play.