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Honda Civic X (in USA & Canada) release 2015 - 2020 have 2(!) differing models of CVT transmission:
1. Еngine 2.0 (K20C2) - CVT model M-CVT (modification transmission JDJC)
2. Еngine 1.5 (L15B7) - CVT model LL-CVT (modification transmission MCKA)
Different CVT models - this is a different attitude to service (and different filters). I could not find this information here on the forum. We live in Russia and we have previously encountered the maintenance of these CVTs. Large temperature difference. In winter minus 35 degrees Celsius (-31 F), and in summer plus 35 degrees Celsius (95 F). - for the normal operation of the CVT, frequent maintenance is necessary. We in Russia change the fluid in the transmission - once a year. And here a problem arises (with which we already encountered earlier) that depending on the engine, the CVTs are different and different materials are needed to replace the oil. Therefore, we collected information here and decided to share it with you (I ask in advance for the quality of my English, I only teach it).
1.5-liter turbocharged engine, (L15B7) + LL-CVT CVT on Honda Civic (tenth generation):
Engine 2.0 liter atmospheric i-VTEC DOHC I4 (K20C2) + CVT M-CVT on Honda Civic (tenth generation):
1. model M-CVT (modification transmission JDJC)
2 model LL-CVT (modification transmission MCKA)
The CVT LL-CVT model is also installed on other Honda vehicles (which are equipped with a 1.5 engine). But there are other modifications of this CVT model -
- Honda Civic (USA) release 2015 - 2020 years.
- Honda Accord (USA), release 2017 - 2020.
- Honda CR-V (USA), release 2016 - 2020
below the plate of various modifications (the plate is in Russian, since I myself am from Russia, but everything is clear without translation) -
Oil change in the CVT LL-CVT (MCKA, BA7A, BRHA, BRGA).
Oil change intervals are once every 40,000 km (25,000 miles). In the instruction manual (in the manual - https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2019/Civic-Hatchback/manuals ) it is written verbatim:
"... Driving in mountainous areas at very low vehicle speeds results in higher transmission temperatures.
This requires transmission fluid changes more frequently than recommended by the Maintenance
Minder. If you regularly drive your vehicle under these conditions, have the transmission fluid changed
every 25,000 miles (40,000 km). "
Replacement is very simple. The variator (CVT) pan is removed, the pan gasket, the coarse filter (in the pan) are changed. And behind the oil cooler (it is on the side of the variator, the diagrams below explain and show in detail) the variator fine filter changes.
Catalog numbers of original consumables:
1. Coarse filter (Strainer Assy) - 25420-5LJ-003 (aka number 254205LJ003)
2. The fine filter behind the oil cooler (Filter) - 25450-P4V-013
3. The laying of the pallet (Gasket, oil pan) - 21814-RJ2-003
4. Recommended oil - Honda HCF-2. The volume during the shift is 3.7-3.9 QTS (this is 3.5 - 3.7 liters).
Now a little more about the subtleties.
Coarse filter (Strainer Assy) - 25420-5LJ-003 is located in the variator (cvt) pan:
There are non-original consumables. Coarse filter (Strainer Assy) instead of 25420-5LJ-003 you can buy the following manufacturers (and their items):
- Premium Guard PT99453
- Linesoon 98723A
- Linesoon K98723A (filter kit + pan gasket)
- JS Asakashi - JT583K (set filter + pallet gasket)
Pay attention to this important point. The original Honda 25420-5LJ-003 filter (aka number 254205LJ003) looks very much like a filter with a different catalog number, namely 25420-5X9-003 (aka 254205X9003). They are the same size, and outwardly it is very difficult to distinguish from each other. The 25420-5X9-003 filter is designed for other models of Honda variators (those that come with a 2.4-liter engine) and has a difference that is easier to show you in the photos below. These two filters are not interchangeable. Pay attention to this, since every third (!) Person who buys a filter for themselves is mistaken (and this is unnecessary extra expenses):
Fine filter.
The fine filter has a catalog number 25450-P4V-013. For some reason, many people forget to change it (considering it optional), but this filter is a very important element of the CVT performance. If this filter is "clogged", then problems with the oil pressure in the CVT begin, after which increased wear on the transmission begins. It’s easier to change, especially since it’s not difficult and the filter itself is inexpensive;
Non-original fine filters are also from different manufacturers:
1) DOUBLE FORCE DFT3361
2) COB WEB 113610
3) WIX FILTERS 58732
4) ROADRUNNER RR25450P4V013
5) ATP ATP B264
6) ALTO 118940
7) JS ASAKASHI JT381K (filter kit + pan gasket)
Gasket, oil pan — 21814-RJ2-003
There are no non-original gaskets (other articles). But firstly, with some non-original coarse filters, a gasket is installed in the kit (these are, in particular, the Linesoon K98723A and JS Asakashi numbers - JT583K). Secondly, the original gasket is not so expensive (from 800 Russian rubles and more expensive, that is, only $ 11- $ 12). Thirdly, if you could not buy at all, then you can put your old pallet gasket.
O-rings (gaskets).
A) Ideally, also change small gaskets (o-rings) under the fine filter. They are lower in the diagram under numbers 3, 4, 5 -
№ 3 — 25564-5LJ-A01
№ 4 — 25565-5LJ-A01
№ 5 — 91305-PN4-003
At the same time, it’s interesting - if you buy an original (!) Fine filter (25450-P4V-013) then these same o-rings (under No. 4 and No. 5 in the diagram above) are not included with the filter. They go separately (therefore, they also have other catalog numbers). But if you buy a non-original fine filter, then these two o-rings (numbered 4 and 5) usually go together (in a set) with a non-original filter. It seems to be a profitable solution. But there is an important point. These most non-original sealing rings are smaller (do not correspond in thickness), so if there is a choice, it is better not to put them. Here is a comparison photo -
"неоригинал" - no original, "оригинал" - original
If you buy an original coarse filter (25420-5LJ-003), then this gasket (O-ring, it is lower in the diagram under No. 11) comes with the filter in the kit. But if you buy a "non-original" filter, then this ring is not. And it is also desirable to change it. It has the number 91308-5LJ-003. Here below in the photo according to the scheme of what is at stake:
CVT fluid in LL-CVT
Fluid for CVT models LL-CVT (MCKA, BA7A, BRHA, BRGA) is used only (!) Honda HCF-2 specification. It is necessary (for replacement) only 3.7 liters.
The original oil, depending on the market for sale, has different packaging and different catalog numbers. Here we have specially collected the articles for you:
1. HONDA Article: 0826099964. Capacity: 4 L, (metal canister)
2. HONDA Article 0826999905HE. Capacity: 4 L, (plastic canister)
3. HONDA Article 08200HCF2 Capacity: 0.96 l. (plastic canister)
Of the non-original fluids that are specially (!) Created by one or another manufacturer for the Honda HCF-2 specification, today these are fluid from Ravenol (RAVENOL HCF-2 Fluid), they have the numbers 1211142-001 (1 liter), 1211142-004 (4 liters) and 1211142-020 (20 liters) -
There are also other manufacturers that produce "universal fluids" for CVTs, which (note that "according to the manufacturers' data") also comply with Honda HCF-2 specifications. How true this is is no information. Here it is more likely a question of consumer confidence in a particular brand.
There are many examples on the Internet of oil changes in the LL-CVT variator (MCKA, BA7A, BRHA, BRGA) without removing the pan and without replacing the coarse filter. This method certainly has a right to exist. However, we recommend that you still remove the variator pan and change the filter. The reason is that the small magnets in the variator pan, even with low mileage, have other shavings that must be removed. And the filter itself is very, very dirty. Here's a photo of the magnets in the Honda Accord CVT with just 30,000 miles (45,000 km) mileage on good American roads:
And here is a photo of the coarse filter (25420-5LJ-003). Pay attention to the state (this is the question of why it is still desirable to change it):
more detailed information (with diagrams, photographs) is here - https://www.drive2.ru/o/b/558428487803732121/
1. Еngine 2.0 (K20C2) - CVT model M-CVT (modification transmission JDJC)
2. Еngine 1.5 (L15B7) - CVT model LL-CVT (modification transmission MCKA)
Different CVT models - this is a different attitude to service (and different filters). I could not find this information here on the forum. We live in Russia and we have previously encountered the maintenance of these CVTs. Large temperature difference. In winter minus 35 degrees Celsius (-31 F), and in summer plus 35 degrees Celsius (95 F). - for the normal operation of the CVT, frequent maintenance is necessary. We in Russia change the fluid in the transmission - once a year. And here a problem arises (with which we already encountered earlier) that depending on the engine, the CVTs are different and different materials are needed to replace the oil. Therefore, we collected information here and decided to share it with you (I ask in advance for the quality of my English, I only teach it).
1.5-liter turbocharged engine, (L15B7) + LL-CVT CVT on Honda Civic (tenth generation):
Engine 2.0 liter atmospheric i-VTEC DOHC I4 (K20C2) + CVT M-CVT on Honda Civic (tenth generation):
1. model M-CVT (modification transmission JDJC)
2 model LL-CVT (modification transmission MCKA)
The CVT LL-CVT model is also installed on other Honda vehicles (which are equipped with a 1.5 engine). But there are other modifications of this CVT model -
- Honda Civic (USA) release 2015 - 2020 years.
- Honda Accord (USA), release 2017 - 2020.
- Honda CR-V (USA), release 2016 - 2020
below the plate of various modifications (the plate is in Russian, since I myself am from Russia, but everything is clear without translation) -
Oil change in the CVT LL-CVT (MCKA, BA7A, BRHA, BRGA).
Oil change intervals are once every 40,000 km (25,000 miles). In the instruction manual (in the manual - https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2019/Civic-Hatchback/manuals ) it is written verbatim:
"... Driving in mountainous areas at very low vehicle speeds results in higher transmission temperatures.
This requires transmission fluid changes more frequently than recommended by the Maintenance
Minder. If you regularly drive your vehicle under these conditions, have the transmission fluid changed
every 25,000 miles (40,000 km). "
Replacement is very simple. The variator (CVT) pan is removed, the pan gasket, the coarse filter (in the pan) are changed. And behind the oil cooler (it is on the side of the variator, the diagrams below explain and show in detail) the variator fine filter changes.
Catalog numbers of original consumables:
1. Coarse filter (Strainer Assy) - 25420-5LJ-003 (aka number 254205LJ003)
2. The fine filter behind the oil cooler (Filter) - 25450-P4V-013
3. The laying of the pallet (Gasket, oil pan) - 21814-RJ2-003
4. Recommended oil - Honda HCF-2. The volume during the shift is 3.7-3.9 QTS (this is 3.5 - 3.7 liters).
Now a little more about the subtleties.
Coarse filter (Strainer Assy) - 25420-5LJ-003 is located in the variator (cvt) pan:
There are non-original consumables. Coarse filter (Strainer Assy) instead of 25420-5LJ-003 you can buy the following manufacturers (and their items):
- Premium Guard PT99453
- Linesoon 98723A
- Linesoon K98723A (filter kit + pan gasket)
- JS Asakashi - JT583K (set filter + pallet gasket)
Pay attention to this important point. The original Honda 25420-5LJ-003 filter (aka number 254205LJ003) looks very much like a filter with a different catalog number, namely 25420-5X9-003 (aka 254205X9003). They are the same size, and outwardly it is very difficult to distinguish from each other. The 25420-5X9-003 filter is designed for other models of Honda variators (those that come with a 2.4-liter engine) and has a difference that is easier to show you in the photos below. These two filters are not interchangeable. Pay attention to this, since every third (!) Person who buys a filter for themselves is mistaken (and this is unnecessary extra expenses):
Fine filter.
The fine filter has a catalog number 25450-P4V-013. For some reason, many people forget to change it (considering it optional), but this filter is a very important element of the CVT performance. If this filter is "clogged", then problems with the oil pressure in the CVT begin, after which increased wear on the transmission begins. It’s easier to change, especially since it’s not difficult and the filter itself is inexpensive;
Non-original fine filters are also from different manufacturers:
1) DOUBLE FORCE DFT3361
2) COB WEB 113610
3) WIX FILTERS 58732
4) ROADRUNNER RR25450P4V013
5) ATP ATP B264
6) ALTO 118940
7) JS ASAKASHI JT381K (filter kit + pan gasket)
Gasket, oil pan — 21814-RJ2-003
There are no non-original gaskets (other articles). But firstly, with some non-original coarse filters, a gasket is installed in the kit (these are, in particular, the Linesoon K98723A and JS Asakashi numbers - JT583K). Secondly, the original gasket is not so expensive (from 800 Russian rubles and more expensive, that is, only $ 11- $ 12). Thirdly, if you could not buy at all, then you can put your old pallet gasket.
O-rings (gaskets).
A) Ideally, also change small gaskets (o-rings) under the fine filter. They are lower in the diagram under numbers 3, 4, 5 -
№ 3 — 25564-5LJ-A01
№ 4 — 25565-5LJ-A01
№ 5 — 91305-PN4-003
At the same time, it’s interesting - if you buy an original (!) Fine filter (25450-P4V-013) then these same o-rings (under No. 4 and No. 5 in the diagram above) are not included with the filter. They go separately (therefore, they also have other catalog numbers). But if you buy a non-original fine filter, then these two o-rings (numbered 4 and 5) usually go together (in a set) with a non-original filter. It seems to be a profitable solution. But there is an important point. These most non-original sealing rings are smaller (do not correspond in thickness), so if there is a choice, it is better not to put them. Here is a comparison photo -
"неоригинал" - no original, "оригинал" - original
If you buy an original coarse filter (25420-5LJ-003), then this gasket (O-ring, it is lower in the diagram under No. 11) comes with the filter in the kit. But if you buy a "non-original" filter, then this ring is not. And it is also desirable to change it. It has the number 91308-5LJ-003. Here below in the photo according to the scheme of what is at stake:
CVT fluid in LL-CVT
Fluid for CVT models LL-CVT (MCKA, BA7A, BRHA, BRGA) is used only (!) Honda HCF-2 specification. It is necessary (for replacement) only 3.7 liters.
The original oil, depending on the market for sale, has different packaging and different catalog numbers. Here we have specially collected the articles for you:
1. HONDA Article: 0826099964. Capacity: 4 L, (metal canister)
2. HONDA Article 0826999905HE. Capacity: 4 L, (plastic canister)
3. HONDA Article 08200HCF2 Capacity: 0.96 l. (plastic canister)
Of the non-original fluids that are specially (!) Created by one or another manufacturer for the Honda HCF-2 specification, today these are fluid from Ravenol (RAVENOL HCF-2 Fluid), they have the numbers 1211142-001 (1 liter), 1211142-004 (4 liters) and 1211142-020 (20 liters) -
There are also other manufacturers that produce "universal fluids" for CVTs, which (note that "according to the manufacturers' data") also comply with Honda HCF-2 specifications. How true this is is no information. Here it is more likely a question of consumer confidence in a particular brand.
There are many examples on the Internet of oil changes in the LL-CVT variator (MCKA, BA7A, BRHA, BRGA) without removing the pan and without replacing the coarse filter. This method certainly has a right to exist. However, we recommend that you still remove the variator pan and change the filter. The reason is that the small magnets in the variator pan, even with low mileage, have other shavings that must be removed. And the filter itself is very, very dirty. Here's a photo of the magnets in the Honda Accord CVT with just 30,000 miles (45,000 km) mileage on good American roads:
And here is a photo of the coarse filter (25420-5LJ-003). Pay attention to the state (this is the question of why it is still desirable to change it):
more detailed information (with diagrams, photographs) is here - https://www.drive2.ru/o/b/558428487803732121/
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