So, the dealer can (supposedly) see the info stored when they use the old "you over-revved the engine to 8500" to deny your warranty, but they cant see stored mileage? In other words, the ecu logs revs, but not the vehicle'mileage?
I find it even more crooked when stealerships fuck 100s of people over by denying legitimate warranty claims just because they are cheap fuckers who dont give a fuck about their customers after theyve sold them a car.
Lets explain over rev. Its actually called engine overspeed code p0219. This only occurs when you miss shift like say going 3-4 at WOT and Redline but you go 3-2 instead. That causes a mechanical over rev that can not be stopped and throws that code. At that point there is a snapshot stored on the ECU of the parameters at the moment the event happened. This is a cause for automatic denial of warranty. If you were flashed and flashed back to stock it would actually erase the stored code. Setting the rev limit to 9000 rpms and redlining the car does not cause this code.
I find it crooked that dealers look for anyway to deny a warranty even when nothing has actually been done to the car. Lets take for example telling me they wont fix my AC compressor if it goes out again because I put HIDs on the car and they could be messing up the electronics. Or when the dealer forgets to put the drain plug back on right for a person on this site and then tells them its not their fault and they wont cover it under warranty.
Ok, please, oh pretty please prove to me they can see it. Show your work and provide details and photos of where in the HDS they can see. Also Ive clearly said over and over the DEALER can not see anything. The one person on here I read that said Honda engineering told him they could see he flashed had his warranty denied over p0219 so they werent covering it anyway. I know for a fact, first hand that people on here have had Honda engineering look at their car and still had their stuff replaced under warranty. I recently had dealt with my dealer, tech line, and eventually an engineer flew out to look at my car, guess what, my stuff was replaced. Let me ask you, what reason would a dealership have to believe you flashed the car if you didnt outright tell them or drive it in with Ktuner or Hondata stickers all over it? Also your demeanor toward your service department has a lot to do with if they help you or not. Come in with a crappy attitude trashing them and Honda and your damn right they are going to attempt to not cover you. But again, when has anyone from engineering even come on here or any other civic forum and specifically told you "We can see it, and here is where" Yes honda engineers have been on these pages and other civic forums for years as well.
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/hondata/263675-rev-limit-set-8400rpm-over-rev-code-stored-2.html
You are missing the WHOLE POINT, they cannot tell if your car is flashed if you flash it back to stock. the over rev code is always stored, but it doesnt come from being tuned. It comes from missing a shift whether you were tuned or not, its not from redlining. There is no log, its a screenshot, and that DTC being set is causes the snapshot to be taken. Sure corporate can log in and see that code, but that doesnt tell them you are tuned. In both threads you linked, no where did anyone in those threads show anyone where in the HDS it says "THIS CAR IS FLASHED" or anything remotely near that. They would have to be able to see that your software was different than what was on the car when you bought it. When you flash stock they can not see it. Here is a comment within the thread you linked from a tech ( I know techs dont know everything) Ill go on personal experience with Honda, Tech Line and Engineering over some guy saying here is some links to some dudes saying they can tell. No one I know that is tuned has been denied for just being tuned, you know why, they can't tell.
The purpose of a warranty is for the manufacturer to foot the bill if something they are responsible for messes up- it is not there for people who break things due to misuse/abuse.
I too am a grown adult, and also know that modding the car comes with consequences. Honda warranties the car for how it left the factory, but now on their website they even say mods to your car do not void the warranty. I also know how dealers shaft people all the time so could care less if they foot the bill for me. But i was also ready to pay out of pocket if they told me no, you tuned it, you broke it. But they didnt and i got what i wanted fixed. I waited patiently and didnt get pushy over the 2 month period they kept my car and even had engineering in. So my point was and always will be, dont let people tell you a dealer knows you are tuned when they dont.
Can we get a link for this? I would like to print and keep this document in my car and pull it out when I need it.
So to my point that a tech can't tell you flashed, they can't. Engineers can see the data from an event but they still can't tell if an ecu was flashed unless the data in an event shows the car operated outside of the parameters, which is why it stored the info anyway. Law enforcement needs a warrant for the data. In the manual I believe it says it stores pertinent information to an event that triggers the edr, but its not constantly recording....
That's it in a nutshell. Good post.
