What does the CTR compete with?

[HondaFan2017]

All very true points. Remember, the GTI is what VW used to beat the R on the 'ring.
https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

The STi is 5 seconds slower than the CURRENT R, though the last time Subaru ran the ring was 2010.

I see it R FK2 does M4, Ford GT, Gallardo. Not bad. Now it might be that the driver made the difference also. However the progress is amazing getting at same level with exotic cars / recent supercars. A relatively affordable car for enthusiasts + bold styling. Unlike other brands where you have to pawn your house to get those.

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[totopo]

The STI, focus RS, and golf R are perfectly reasonable competitors as "track/sports focused" versions of a commuter chasis with 2 rows of seats.

4wd isn't that important at the 300hp range with modern tires and isn't always worth the weight. I guess we'll see what the new type R will come out at, but I doubt they would release a type r that can't record the best 'ring time.

I don't really have too high of expectations for it though. navi? ac? what happened to the type R track monsters of the 90's...

In any event, none of these cars area really in the competition for the track-performance/price zone dominated by the current mustang and camaro

 

[JYR]

I don't really have too high of expectations for it though. navi? ac? what happened to the type R track monsters of the 90's...

You missed that conversation. lol

The R was wanted by the Americans, hence why there is Navi and AC. Several videos from our overseas counterparts have said the comfort mode was installed for the US customers, though will be available for everyone as it is a global car. -Yes, really.

 

[NorthernEX-T]

You missed that conversation. lol

The R was wanted by the Americans, hence why there is Navi and AC. Several videos from our overseas counterparts have said the comfort mode was installed for the US customers, though will be available for everyone as it is a global car. -Yes, really.

What do I think competes with the Type R? Anyone who wants to race.

 

[Aero2001]

I think the CTR is more in the STI/RS category than the ST/GTI/Si category, because it's a more hard-core, performance-focused car, while the others are more suitable as daily drivers or even family cars.

But who knows? Maybe the CTR won't be insanely loud, and maybe the "comfort" mode will actually be comfortable even with those 20" rims -- we'll see.

 

[baldheadracing]

I think the best way to describe it is a "niche" car. About the closest USDM FWD competitor is the Cobalt SST (as far as SCCA is concerned).

That said, I expect the CTR will fall in the same class as the S2K, Evo and STI (B Stock). It's too competitive for DS IMHO.
http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2011/stockc.html

Yeah, I was thinking B Street as well. The Focus RS and the current Golf R are in BS. Hopefully there will be some adjustability in the Type R's suspension to get some more negative camber up front. Even then, I think that it will be a challenge for the Type R to beat the BS-ruling Corvettes and S2000s.

As for competition in the marketplace - which is what the OP appears to have been thinking, not actual motorsports competition - there is a weird inversion in the Canadian marketplace as the Golf R 6-spd is $32k(US) vs. $41k for the same car in the USA. Thus, the Golf R will almost certainly be priced a bit lower than the Type R in Canada. However, I already have an AWD Q-ship full of typical VW electrical problems .

 

[erbee]

What do I think competes with the Type R? Anyone who wants to race.

You'll lose to a rental car.

 

[erbee]

So is it AWD-less and a few grand less than a STI, Golf R, and Focus RS yet it competes with those vehicles? Last I checked, all three AWD vehicles mentioned tip out around $40-$42k, trim depending.

The CTR is going to get waxed by these vehicles, I think.

CTR only has 1 Loaded trim. A base STI can be had under 35. If the CTR cost 35k and because it has Navi and all those crap. The car itself should be less then 32. Being FWD it WILL suffer in rain, snow, probably rally too. CTR has a cheaper drive train. You'll paying more for the body kit really.

 

[Civics4Ever]

The STI, focus RS, and golf R are perfectly reasonable competitors as "track/sports focused" versions of a commuter chasis with 2 rows of seats.

4wd isn't that important at the 300hp range with modern tires and isn't always worth the weight. I guess we'll see what the new type R will come out at, but I doubt they would release a type r that can't record the best 'ring time.

I don't really have too high of expectations for it though. navi? ac? what happened to the type R track monsters of the 90's...

In any event, none of these cars area really in the competition for the track-performance/price zone dominated by the current mustang and camaro

If you can't beat a Camaro or Mustang through a turn with a type R, then you shouldn't be buying one.

 

[Fled]

For those of you wondering how the CTR will fare against the likes of the STI, RS and R, go and have a look at the many head-to-head vids on YouTube of the FK2 CTR flogging its AWD rivals around the track, in the dry. From a launch and in the wet it gets smoked, but on the track it is an absolute assassin. That trick front diff and the suspension setup does its thing.

 

[totopo]

If you can't beat a Camaro or Mustang through a turn with a type R, then you shouldn't be buying one.

the new mustangs and camaros are nothing like the old generations... they can turn pretty well...

 

[Design]

You missed that conversation. lol

The R was wanted by the Americans, hence why there is Navi and AC. Several videos from our overseas counterparts have said the comfort mode was installed for the US customers, though will be available for everyone as it is a global car. -Yes, really.

I actually think it's the other way around to a degree. In talking to a guy who was with Acura during the ITR days, he testified that very few USDM buyers wanted the ITR sans AC.

IMHO, Honda opted to do the minimum configurations to keep costs low on a global platform produced in a single facility. Would a fully optioned CTR sell here? Of course, to the 40 or so enthusiasts on this board who've confirmed they'll be getting one.

But for the remaining 6-10K buyers out there over the next 3 years? I figure they're not as concerned about options that are designed to substitute the driving focus this car demands. At least here in North America where the market is MUCH more sensitive to pricing.

 

[canadasiguy]

The STI, focus RS, and golf R are perfectly reasonable competitors as "track/sports focused" versions of a commuter chasis with 2 rows of seats.

4wd isn't that important at the 300hp range with modern tires and isn't always worth the weight. I guess we'll see what the new type R will come out at, but I doubt they would release a type r that can't record the best 'ring time.

I don't really have too high of expectations for it though. navi? ac? what happened to the type R track monsters of the 90's...

In any event, none of these cars area really in the competition for the track-performance/price zone dominated by the current mustang and camaro

I have thrown a lot of hate against the SI as I have had 4 of them before and was disappointed ...but the Type R is amazing...currently have a golf R 6MT Tech...have to say I love the look of the Type R and it is in my opinion a car to reckon with and a direct competitor for my R...but I would think the handling would be interesting....the Type R on paper seems like it would easily outhandle my R but the AWD of my R does compensate with the rears....very curious to find out...and will admit...if the Type R was AWD, I would have already prepaid for one...but harsh Canadian winters make the R a better choice for traction and fun...and 6 months of lousy weather is a long time...but the Type R has caught my attention and I will be excited to see one at the lights....

 

[Design]

Yeah, I was thinking B Street as well. The Focus RS and the current Golf R are in BS. Hopefully there will be some adjustability in the Type R's suspension to get some more negative camber up front. Even then, I think that it will be a challenge for the Type R to beat the BS-ruling Corvettes and S2000s.

As for competition in the marketplace - which is what the OP appears to have been thinking, not actual motorsports competition - there is a weird inversion in the Canadian marketplace as the Golf R 6-spd is $32k(US) vs. $41k for the same car in the USA. Thus, the Golf R will almost certainly be priced a bit lower than the Type R in Canada. However, I already have an AWD Q-ship full of typical VW electrical problems .

The USDM configuration on the Golf R changed with 2017... maybe that helps explain the discrepancy?

The FK2 seems fairly potent against the S2K in the limited comparisons that are available. Which leads me to believe the new CTR will have a similar advantage. At least in the dry.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/phgsi81flrrr

One can only hope...

 

[bobafettm]

the new mustangs and camaros are nothing like the old generations... they can turn pretty well...

Exactly what I was going to say... I'd assume on nearly every track the Mustang and Camaro will stomp the Type R (equal drivers)... even on tighter road courses. The mustang is an excellent SCCA platform and fantastic in TransAm!

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