Car and Driver 2017 Lightning Lap - Civic Si matches MK7 GTI PP

[das borgen]

Yeah...... I think I see your point

I was on the verge of commenting that too!

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[ClemsonPatriot]

I was on the verge of commenting that too!

Your doctor can prescribe medication to help with that...

 

[Apeks]

Penis.

 

[ne0guri]

Clearly encouraging drivers to "go hard" on their course

 

[dmitri]

A: "...Auto Club Speedway..."
B: "That's what she said!"
A:
B: #CivicXForumFTW

 

[SoichiroSan]

I've had my Si coupe for four days, and I'm in love with it. Admittedly it's not going to be visiting a track anytime soon, but my work commute has been a hoot. The standard all-season tires are adequate, and hey, they do carry a "W" speed rating.

 

[bubbaleenc]

Yeah...... I think I see your point

 

[slowride]

As for the which SI is fastest, it won't go away anytime soon. Proof means nothing to some people. But we all know the truth and that's all that matters!

A minor problem has come to light:

https://jimsgarage.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/vira-whole-new-track/

The newest tests are on a modified, repaired and resurfaced version of VIR.

 

[das borgen]

A minor problem has come to light:

https://jimsgarage.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/vira-whole-new-track/

The newest tests are on a modified, repaired and resurfaced version of VIR.

True, but any LL done since 2014 would be comparable since 2014-today would have been done on the same surface. 2014 LL was done well after the track had been repaved.

So my assertion of the Si matching 2015 GTI PP lap is still valid

 

[slowride]

It looks like this is the first LL set to be done on the new surface: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2014-results-and-sector-times-feature

 

[ClemsonPatriot]

It looks like this is the first LL set to be done on the new surface: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2014-results-and-sector-times-feature

I would be interested to see C&D take a car that was timed before the changes and time it again. How significant are those changes? That way we can have some point of comparison. For all we know the changes could have made the times slower!

I honestly don't think it makes a huge difference. I still believe the 2017 Si is faster than the 2012. Is it by 10 seconds or 9? Doesn't change that our Si is faster! Until a fully indoor track is built so humidity, temperature, wind, etc. can be 100% controlled there will always be variable which change lap times.

 

[ClemsonPatriot]

A minor problem has come to light:

https://jimsgarage.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/vira-whole-new-track/

The newest tests are on a modified, repaired and resurfaced version of VIR.

In 2013 the BRZ had a time of 3:18.6
http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...s-feature-lightning-lap-2013-ll1-class-page-3

In 2017 the BRZ had a time of 3:19.7
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2017-every-lap-time-and-full-data-feature

The BRZ hasn't seen HUGE updates since it's release; so I would argue this is a decent point of comparison. What is shocking is that the BRZ actually got a slower time as it was improved over the years! Is the definitive proof? Absolutely not! But I think it is safe to say the updates won't affect times too much.

 

[das borgen]

In 2013 the BRZ had a time of 3:18.6
http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...s-feature-lightning-lap-2013-ll1-class-page-3

In 2017 the BRZ had a time of 3:19.7
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2017-every-lap-time-and-full-data-feature

The BRZ hasn't seen HUGE updates since it's release; so I would argue this is a decent point of comparison. What is shocking is that the BRZ actually got a slower time as it was improved over the years! Is the definitive proof? Absolutely not! But I think it is safe to say the updates won't affect times too much.

Popular consensus from some racer friends was that the new surface was worth 1.5s to 2s on the Full Course (black outline). Some of that though is due to the added track-out room outside the exit curbing at Oak Tree and Nascar Bend

 

[ClemsonPatriot]

Popular consensus from some racer friends was that the new surface was worth 1.5s to 2s on the Full Course (black outline). Some of that though is due to the added track-out room outside the exit curbing at Oak Tree and Nascar Bend

So improved times by 1.5s to 2s?

 

[Design]

...countered by some random wet spots throughout the track after the rainstorm (despite moving to the following week). And the BRZ's lap times seem to correlate with those conditions.

I'd say it's a wash - pun intended.

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