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Hi all,
As you know, 1.5 turbo is Honda's really international model - it is used in USA, Canada, Asia, Europe, Australia. The technology is the same for all markets, so in order to answer the question what oil grades you can really use - it is a good idea to see what grades are allowed in instruction manuals for other markets.
So let's look at the manual for Europe. Europe has one of the most strict oil standards - that is why we change oil here (depending on car) anywhere from 10k miles and above. And what does the manual say for UK/Europe? Picture attached.
The most important information is in the frame and order represents from most preferred oil grade to least preferred.
1) Genuine Honda Motor oil (note below, that if you decide to use 0w-20 than you should use Honda Engine oil Type 2.0)
2) Second most preferred is A3 standard, which is oil standard for performance cars (especially turbo, strained, most protection for engine),
3) Third most preferred is A5 standard, which is oil standard for pure economy (most important aspect is eco, not engine protection).
What does the above mean? It means, that if you don't want to use 0w-20, you can use engine oil of standard A3 or as least preferred, A5. But wait a minute, A3 or A5 is just a protection/eco standard, there is nothing mentioned about viscosity?? Well, if viscosity is not mentioned than it means, that you can (and you should) choose whatever viscosity you wish - depending on your environment (temperatures etc)!
The sentence below the frame says it all: "Use a Genuine Honda Motor oil or another commercial engine oil of suitable viscosity for the ambient temperature as shown".
I know what you are thinking, the picture only shows 0w-20 so it means that you should only use this one, right? Wrong!
"... of suitable viscosity for the ambient temperature as shown". Suitable viscosity is not the same for Siberia in Russia, as the one for Italy, Florida, Texas or other! In fact, 0w20 would be a great oil for North Pole! Another sentence says it all:
"0w-20 oil is formulated to improve fuel economy." Nothing more and nothing less! It is not formulated to improve engine protection, but improve economy. The higher the engine economy, the lower the quality of oil film on engine parts and worse protection. In fact, anything xw30 are economy oils as well, but protect the engine better than 0w-20...
0w-20 will be perfectly fine if you want to use this car as economy driver - no redlining, no high rpm and shifting gears in "green" markers as dashboard says.
The last sentence can be misleading and interpreted differently, but it says, that if Original Honda oil type 2.0 (which is Honda's 0w-20 for Europe) is not available, you can alternatively use 0/5w-30. Nowhere in the instruction manual it says, that you should only use 0w20 and nothing else! It says here, that if you don't have original 0w-20, that you can alternatively use 5w-30 or 0w-30 (for example you can top up 0w-20 with 0/5w-30 if the former is not around)! But it does not say that only those 3 grades of oil are allowed and it does not say that 0w-20 is the only grade allowed!
You were bashing here dblshock guy, when he started the thread about putting 5w30 and thicker oils. Well, he was right in all aspects, but one... The 5w30 oil grades would do nothing to his engine, but reduce only the economy. In fact, this oil would protect this engine more if he was bashing it to redline.
The only mistake he made was putting some 2-stroke oil into petrol... This is only done to diesels, you don't put this stuff into petrols... Because of this stuff, his petrol probably did not burn properly and polluted the oil sump and diluted the oil.
Anyway, there you go guys. I know American manual may say differently but just to let you know - 0w-20 is not the only oil grade allowed for those engines on different markets! They did not design this engine for 0w-20 only, they may have designed it so that it does not get excessively worn with an engine oil so thin.
In fact, I seriously doubt that the manual for Australia recommends 0w-20 and believe me, they don't have some "extra" version of 1.5 turbo engine there...
As you know, 1.5 turbo is Honda's really international model - it is used in USA, Canada, Asia, Europe, Australia. The technology is the same for all markets, so in order to answer the question what oil grades you can really use - it is a good idea to see what grades are allowed in instruction manuals for other markets.
So let's look at the manual for Europe. Europe has one of the most strict oil standards - that is why we change oil here (depending on car) anywhere from 10k miles and above. And what does the manual say for UK/Europe? Picture attached.
The most important information is in the frame and order represents from most preferred oil grade to least preferred.
1) Genuine Honda Motor oil (note below, that if you decide to use 0w-20 than you should use Honda Engine oil Type 2.0)
2) Second most preferred is A3 standard, which is oil standard for performance cars (especially turbo, strained, most protection for engine),
3) Third most preferred is A5 standard, which is oil standard for pure economy (most important aspect is eco, not engine protection).
What does the above mean? It means, that if you don't want to use 0w-20, you can use engine oil of standard A3 or as least preferred, A5. But wait a minute, A3 or A5 is just a protection/eco standard, there is nothing mentioned about viscosity?? Well, if viscosity is not mentioned than it means, that you can (and you should) choose whatever viscosity you wish - depending on your environment (temperatures etc)!
The sentence below the frame says it all: "Use a Genuine Honda Motor oil or another commercial engine oil of suitable viscosity for the ambient temperature as shown".
I know what you are thinking, the picture only shows 0w-20 so it means that you should only use this one, right? Wrong!
"... of suitable viscosity for the ambient temperature as shown". Suitable viscosity is not the same for Siberia in Russia, as the one for Italy, Florida, Texas or other! In fact, 0w20 would be a great oil for North Pole! Another sentence says it all:
"0w-20 oil is formulated to improve fuel economy." Nothing more and nothing less! It is not formulated to improve engine protection, but improve economy. The higher the engine economy, the lower the quality of oil film on engine parts and worse protection. In fact, anything xw30 are economy oils as well, but protect the engine better than 0w-20...
0w-20 will be perfectly fine if you want to use this car as economy driver - no redlining, no high rpm and shifting gears in "green" markers as dashboard says.
The last sentence can be misleading and interpreted differently, but it says, that if Original Honda oil type 2.0 (which is Honda's 0w-20 for Europe) is not available, you can alternatively use 0/5w-30. Nowhere in the instruction manual it says, that you should only use 0w20 and nothing else! It says here, that if you don't have original 0w-20, that you can alternatively use 5w-30 or 0w-30 (for example you can top up 0w-20 with 0/5w-30 if the former is not around)! But it does not say that only those 3 grades of oil are allowed and it does not say that 0w-20 is the only grade allowed!
You were bashing here dblshock guy, when he started the thread about putting 5w30 and thicker oils. Well, he was right in all aspects, but one... The 5w30 oil grades would do nothing to his engine, but reduce only the economy. In fact, this oil would protect this engine more if he was bashing it to redline.
The only mistake he made was putting some 2-stroke oil into petrol... This is only done to diesels, you don't put this stuff into petrols... Because of this stuff, his petrol probably did not burn properly and polluted the oil sump and diluted the oil.
Anyway, there you go guys. I know American manual may say differently but just to let you know - 0w-20 is not the only oil grade allowed for those engines on different markets! They did not design this engine for 0w-20 only, they may have designed it so that it does not get excessively worn with an engine oil so thin.
In fact, I seriously doubt that the manual for Australia recommends 0w-20 and believe me, they don't have some "extra" version of 1.5 turbo engine there...
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