Si E85 Preliminary Road Testing SI

We have E-85 here and it is usually exactly $1 less than premium.

Maybe they price their premium up there to excuse the high price of e85 because I think 92 costs about 3.69 at that station where a couple miles away it isn't even 3 bucks... Forget what gas costs but I landed in Boston last night and e85 was 2.99 here and I imagine that's higher since I thought gas was cheaper over here.

maddmatt02 said:

Maybe they price their premium up there to excuse the high price of e85 because I think 92 costs about 3.69 at that station where a couple miles away it isn't even 3 bucks... Forget what gas costs but I landed in Boston last night and e85 was 2.99 here and I imagine that's higher since I thought gas was cheaper over here.

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E85 here in Arlington/ DFW was $1.79 yesterday

maddmatt02 said:

Wait so since e15 is an option does that mean the rest of your gas is ethanol free or are they still all e10?

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Here in dfw we have lots of e15 and e85 and almost all of our 93 is up to 10% ethanol

maddmatt02 said:

Wait so since e15 is an option does that mean the rest of your gas is ethanol free or are they still all e10?

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all the gas is up to 10% ethanol but that's usually in the winter. we can also get straight 91 for 2.99

VitViper said:

There he goes acting all high and mighty. Who are you again? Other than a delusional shill who thinks too highly of himself and his capabilities.

I quiver in fear. Lol

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VitViper said:

I bet it feels great with the roller coaster HP curve.

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Ok I'm confused. Is the SI rated to run on E85? I'm pretty sure the Sport hatch isn't. We only have 2 or 3 stations with it in my state. It does make a noticeable diff in my chevy pickup that is rated for it, but it uses more gas with vs regular.
I think it's more than just a tune too, fuel lines need to handle it and maybe pump and injection?

richd said:

Ok I'm confused. Is the SI rated to run on E85? I'm pretty sure the Sport hatch isn't. We only have 2 or 3 stations with it in my state. It does make a noticeable diff in my chevy pickup that is rated for it, but it uses more gas with vs regular.
I think it's more than just a tune too, fuel lines need to handle it and maybe pump and injection?

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you will have to get tuned for it

richd said:

Ok I'm confused. Is the SI rated to run on E85? I'm pretty sure the Sport hatch isn't. We only have 2 or 3 stations with it in my state. It does make a noticeable diff in my chevy pickup that is rated for it, but it uses more gas with vs regular.
I think it's more than just a tune too, fuel lines need to handle it and maybe pump and injection?

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you probably don't want to run full e85. From conversations Ive had with those smarter than me, it will strain the fuel system. Im pretty sure if e85 was doing anything special for this car, then Vit would be doing it.

dc2turbo said:

you will have to get tuned for it

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yep, and even then is it worth the risk to the stock fuel system to run straight e85?

dallasjhawk said:

you probably don't want to run full e85. From conversations Ive had with those smarter than me, it will strain the fuel system. Im pretty sure if e85 was doing anything special for this car, then Vit would be doing it.

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Do those smarter than you have proof on this new platform?
How can you say it will strain the system if these cars are brand new and no one has pushed the fuel system long enough with E85 on a daily basis to see if something damages?

I too had conversations with plenty of tuners/engineers/engine builders/record holders/innovators that are smart, so what's your point? Are you only mentioning that to add credibility to your response? Just because someone is smarter than you doesn't mean they can't be wrong, we're all human and make mistakes.

Lets look at the current Facts:
-The stock fuel system is handling E85 with over 800mile so far (my car is proving it). Now don't worry I won't be like your typical guy on the forum and only wants to share good results, so if something in my fuel system does mess up I will let everyone know.
-It's doing a lot of special things for this car. The gains are proving it, along with the extra fuel room we added in the tune (my tuner can explain that one if he wants).
-According to Vits new timely published blog, ethanol did do something for him only difference is, he blends (not ideal) and dials back ("detunes for reliability")...I don't. My car is running perfectly reliable thanks to my tuner.

Random question:
Is your mentality really "if Vit can't do it, no one can?" or better yet "what Vit says goes"? lol If so, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but he isn't the only tuner who knows what he's doing. Now don't go putting words in my mouth, I'm sure Vit is a decent tuner (how else would he have gotten this far) but all i'm saying is, he is not the only one who can tune this new platform.

Day 2 of Preliminary testing with E85 and Hondata FlashPro. As you can see my tuner (Daniel) found much more power (dotted line is from Day 1 testing) and cleaned up the top end. You can see the HP is carried through the entire rev range and only starts slightly dropping after about 5900rpm (I'm sure he will fix that on the next test day).

On the 3hr drive home I made it with the car still running strong and refilled the tank with E85 (again), to see just how long this can last.

For frequent updates follow my IG and FB pages: @OsosikMedia

OsosikMedia said:

Day 2 of Preliminary testing with E85 and Hondata FlashPro. As you can see my tuner (Daniel) found much more power (dotted line is from Day 1 testing) and cleaned up the top end. You can see the HP is carried through the entire rev range and only starts slightly dropping after about 5900rpm (I'm sure he will fix that on the next test day).

On the 3hr drive home I made it with the car still running strong and refilled the tank with E85 (again), to see just how long this can last.

For frequent updates follow my IG and FB pages: @OsosikMedia

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Can you prove you are only using E85, and not blending it. Reason why people may not believe you is because Honda isn't Flex fuel certified. Even if you tune your car for it. You will eventually need to change the fuel system. It will fail. That short clip video is not doing justice. Also to cover Vit. Many people always say he is the best because he actually puts him self out there, he is indeed good at what he does. He's very reliable, has websites and blogs. Track records from customer vehicles. The list goes on and on with Vit. Because of everything he has done I would honestly rather choose him then most. I don't think anyone is saying he is the best period. You are taking things a little to seriously and sounds like you are bashing him? No need for that here.

maddmatt02 said:

Maybe they price their premium up there to excuse the high price of e85 because I think 92 costs about 3.69 at that station where a couple miles away it isn't even 3 bucks... Forget what gas costs but I landed in Boston last night and e85 was 2.99 here and I imagine that's higher since I thought gas was cheaper over here.

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Most 87 octane gas around the Metrowest Boston area (say, about 45 minutes West of the city) is in the $2.20-$2.50 range. I don't think I've even seen E85 at the pump around here, but I haven't been actively looking. Doing a little searching online, it looks like it's scarce, so the stations that carry it probably aren't too worried about competitive pricing.

OsosikMedia said:

Do those smarter than you have proof on this new platform?
How can you say it will strain the system if these cars are brand new and no one has pushed the fuel system long enough with E85 on a daily basis to see if something damages?

I too had conversations with plenty of tuners/engineers/engine builders/record holders/innovators that are smart, so what's your point? Are you only mentioning that to add credibility to your response? Just because someone is smarter than you doesn't mean they can't be wrong, we're all human and make mistakes.

Lets look at the current Facts:
-The stock fuel system is handling E85 with over 800mile so far (my car is proving it). Now don't worry I won't be like your typical guy on the forum and only wants to share good results, so if something in my fuel system does mess up I will let everyone know.
-It's doing a lot of special things for this car. The gains are proving it, along with the extra fuel room we added in the tune (my tuner can explain that one if he wants).
-According to Vits new timely published blog, ethanol did do something for him only difference is, he blends (not ideal) and dials back ("detunes for reliability")...I don't. My car is running perfectly reliable thanks to my tuner.

Random question:
Is your mentality really "if Vit can't do it, no one can?" or better yet "what Vit says goes"? lol If so, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but he isn't the only tuner who knows what he's doing. Now don't go putting words in my mouth, I'm sure Vit is a decent tuner (how else would he have gotten this far) but all i'm saying is, he is not the only one who can tune this new platform.

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Wow lots to unpack here.

Lets start with Vit, I didnt bring his name up specifically bc more than just him know that running straight e85 in a non flex fuel car is not good in the long run for the fueling system. And yeah, on he has been testing different different E combos for months. So while it may be fine now lets talk in 6 months, I mean thats like saying sure i smoke, Im not sick yet so Ill continue to smoke.

Second, My mentality is, if the guy who is the most visible and has the best track record of tuners that are around, sure, Ill take his word for things. I mean, where are all these other tuners at that are so much better than Vit? I dont see them here or on Facebook or in the other forums interacting and talking to customers and potential customers about their cars and what is good or bad for them.

Third, your disdain for him just proves that everyone is gunning for him trying to bring him down

Fourth, you bring up credibility and why I said "smarter than me," To lend credibility to you, why dont you inform the masses who you work for? IT would go a long way to explain why talk shit about Vit.

Fifth, you're at Church Automotive to dyno, we know who has a Dyno there.....dun dun dun...Hondata....and what do we know about Hondatas dyno? Its reads 5-10% higher than other dynos in the same shop. Doug even says so in this post right here http://www.civicx.com/threads/bigge...ive-intake-test-ever.11906/page-2#post-215398

So anyhow, you can continue to hate on Vit, but at least be honest who you work for and dont spread misinformation, There are lots of gullible people here who would run out and start running e85 because someone on the forum said it was fine for 700 miles. Thats like the bov argument, where people were saying, well it hasnt thrown a code for me yet.