1.5T PRL Motorsports Civic X 1.5T Product Development

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FMIC Friday? Finally we have some dyno testing and data for you guys!

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Here is an overall comparison from what we have gathered thus far with our 2017 Civic Si in terms of gains. We chose the dyno runs to compare because these are all 4th gear pulls with identical coolant temps and knock values (~55%). All of these pulls are untuned and using the factory Honda ECU mapping.
  • 100% Stock Civic Si Baseline: 186 hp & 215 ft/lbs tq
  • 100% Stock Civic Si + Stage 1 Intake: 191 hp & 216 ft/lbs tq
  • 100% Stock Civic Si + Stage 1 Intake + Catted DP/FP Combo: 207 hp & 221 ft/lbs tq
  • 100% Stock Civic Si + Stage 1 Intake + Catted DP/FP Combo + FMIC Kit: 216 hp & 224 ft/lbs tq
In other words we gained 9 hp and 3 ft/lbs tq by simply bolting on our FMIC kit in comparison to the factory intercooler setup.

Before anyone says it, we already know somebody is going to say, "OMG that's it?" Let's take a bigger look at this.

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Here are three back-to-back (all runs within 2 minutes of each other) 4th gear dyno pulls with the stock intercooler, our Stage 1 Intake and catted downpipe/front pipe combo. As stated in an earlier thread, this car HATES 4th Gear dyno pulls from the factory. Notice the power loss from heatsoak during these back-to-back dyno pulls. This heatsoak only gets worse on hotter days or during even more extreme conditions like extended spirited driving and racing.

Run 6:
  • Knock Value 55%
  • Coolant Temp: 178 F Start / 189 F End
  • IAT Pre IC: 99 F Start / 100 F End
  • IAT Post IC: 99 F Start / 124 F End
Run 7:
  • Knock Value 55%
  • Coolant Temp: 190 F Start / 212 F End
  • IAT Pre IC: 102 F Start / 102 F End
  • IAT Post IC: 115 F Start / 138 F End
Run 8:
  • Knock Value 55%
  • Coolant Temp: 200 F Start / 228 F End
  • IAT Pre IC: 107 F Start / 108 F End
  • IAT Post IC: 126 F Start / 156 F End

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Here are three back-to-back (all runs within 2 minutes of each other) 4th gear pulls of the same car, but with our FMIC kit added. The car responded MUCH better to repeated abuse and testing; heatsoak was drastically reduced.

Run 6:
  • Knock Value 55%
  • Coolant Temp: 181 F Start / 201 F End
  • IAT Pre IC: 96 F Start / 96 F End
  • IAT Post IC: 90 F Start / 99 F End
Run 7:
  • Knock Value 55%
  • Coolant Temp: 196 F Start / 217 F End
  • IAT Pre IC: 100 F Start / 102 F End
  • IAT Post IC: 95 F Start / 104 F End
Run 8:
  • Knock Value 55%
  • Coolant Temp: 199 F Start / 218 F End
  • IAT Pre IC: 105 F Start / 99 F End
  • IAT Post IC: 96 F Start / 106 F End
All dyno testing was performed on the same day. We saw as much as a 50 degree drop or an average of 36 degrees in post intercooler intake air temps on stock ECU mapping by simply swapping out intercooler setups. These results will only be amplified when running more boost via ECU tuning. More boost out of a tiny turbocharger = higher temps. Higher temps = increased chances of knock/detonation, thus limiting power and reliability.

Though the power gains may seem minimal on a stock or near stock car running factory boost levels, gains become much greater when turning the boost up and pushing things to the max. Aftermarket intercoolers are intended to reduce post intercooler intake air temps as much as possible to make the engine and forced induction system as efficient as possible, thus drastically improving engine/component longevity. We expect our Cobra CAI system to compliment this FMIC quite well in an effort to reduce intake air temps even more! :thumbsup:
Yeesssss! Awesome news and awesome work guys! This will be huge for consistent performance, can’t wait!
 
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Ask and you shall receive! Data, dyno numbers and sound clips from our Cobra Cold Air Intake system is finally here! We will be offer Si and Non-Si specific systems!

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2017 Honda Civic Si w/ Stock ECU Mapping (Not Tuned Whatsoever)
  • PRL Motorsports Catted Downpipe / Front - Pipe Combo
  • PRL Motorsports Prototype Intercooler
  • PRL Motorsports Prototype Cobra Cold Air Intake System (Street MAF Housing)
What's important to note here is that these numbers are in comparison to our previous dyno session where the car had the same exact modifications except with our Stage 1 intake system instead of our cold air so we didn't have to put everything back to stock.

We made sure all conditions were identical for testing (ie 55% knock control value, ~180 degree coolant temps, similar ambient temps, etc) and this is what we came up with.
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~5 horsepower and torque gains throughout almost the entire powerband in comparison to our Stage 1 intake system. This means 9 - 14 horsepower and torque gains throughout the entire powerband over the factory intake. No these aren't crazy marketing ploy gains, these are honest, tried and true gains that every person can expect to see by simply installing this intake system on his or her 1.5L Turbo Civic without a tune. It's important to note that the car was making 1-2 less pounds of boost throughout the midrange, hence why torque gains were minimal down low during peak torque. These cars are very sensitive with knock control and how it controls timing/boost.

We found the MAF curve to be extremely stable, identical in response to the factory intake. This will be our first cold air intake system ever to not require any tuning whatsoever. Customers can expect greater gains once the boost is turned up and components are pushed to their max. Once we find the limit of the Street MAF we will test our Race MAF

Civic%20X%20Stock%20vs%20CAI_zpsjpqawfu0.jpg


Here is a comparing our 10th Gen Si when it was stock to everything that has been modified now. Very impressive results for no tuning whatsoever! Next comes the fun part... Tuning with @KTuner!

 

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Ask and you shall receive! Data, dyno numbers and sound clips from our Cobra Cold Air Intake system is finally here! We will be offer Si and Non-Si specific systems!

DSCN0899_zpszvcd0ryc.jpg

DSCN0898_zps1a0xw6rg.jpg

DSCN0882_zpsbvykltze.jpg

DSCN0872_zpsxa3ot4xx.jpg


2017 Honda Civic Si w/ Stock ECU Mapping (Not Tuned Whatsoever)
  • PRL Motorsports Catted Downpipe / Front - Pipe Combo
  • PRL Motorsports Prototype Intercooler
  • PRL Motorsports Prototype Cobra Cold Air Intake System (Street MAF Housing)
What's important to note here is that these numbers are in comparison to our previous dyno session where the car had the same exact modifications except with our Stage 1 intake system instead of our cold air so we didn't have to put everything back to stock.

We made sure all conditions were identical for testing (ie 55% knock control value, ~180 degree coolant temps, similar ambient temps, etc) and this is what we came up with.
Civic%20X%20S1%20Intake%20Vs%20CAI_zpsczkz1bqq.jpg


~5 horsepower and torque gains throughout almost the entire powerband in comparison to our Stage 1 intake system. This means 9 - 14 horsepower and torque gains throughout the entire powerband over the factory intake. No these aren't crazy marketing ploy gains, these are honest, tried and true gains that every person can expect to see by simply installing this intake system on his or her 1.5L Turbo Civic without a tune. It's important to note that the car was making 1-2 less pounds of boost throughout the midrange, hence why torque gains were minimal down low during peak torque. These cars are very sensitive with knock control and how it controls timing/boost.

We found the MAF curve to be extremely stable, identical in response to the factory intake. This will be our first cold air intake system ever to not require any tuning whatsoever. Customers can expect greater gains once the boost is turned up and components are pushed to their max. Once we find the limit of the Street MAF we will test our Race MAF

Civic%20X%20Stock%20vs%20CAI_zpsjpqawfu0.jpg


Here is a comparing our 10th Gen Si when it was stock to everything that has been modified now. Very impressive results for no tuning whatsoever! Next comes the fun part... Tuning with @KTuner!

Yesssss now for pricing and eta!
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Ask and you shall receive! Data, dyno numbers and sound clips from our Cobra Cold Air Intake system is finally here! We will be offer Si and Non-Si specific systems!

DSCN0899_zpszvcd0ryc.jpg

DSCN0898_zps1a0xw6rg.jpg

DSCN0882_zpsbvykltze.jpg

DSCN0872_zpsxa3ot4xx.jpg


2017 Honda Civic Si w/ Stock ECU Mapping (Not Tuned Whatsoever)
  • PRL Motorsports Catted Downpipe / Front - Pipe Combo
  • PRL Motorsports Prototype Intercooler
  • PRL Motorsports Prototype Cobra Cold Air Intake System (Street MAF Housing)
What's important to note here is that these numbers are in comparison to our previous dyno session where the car had the same exact modifications except with our Stage 1 intake system instead of our cold air so we didn't have to put everything back to stock.

We made sure all conditions were identical for testing (ie 55% knock control value, ~180 degree coolant temps, similar ambient temps, etc) and this is what we came up with.
Civic%20X%20S1%20Intake%20Vs%20CAI_zpsczkz1bqq.jpg


~5 horsepower and torque gains throughout almost the entire powerband in comparison to our Stage 1 intake system. This means 9 - 14 horsepower and torque gains throughout the entire powerband over the factory intake. No these aren't crazy marketing ploy gains, these are honest, tried and true gains that every person can expect to see by simply installing this intake system on his or her 1.5L Turbo Civic without a tune. It's important to note that the car was making 1-2 less pounds of boost throughout the midrange, hence why torque gains were minimal down low during peak torque. These cars are very sensitive with knock control and how it controls timing/boost.

We found the MAF curve to be extremely stable, identical in response to the factory intake. This will be our first cold air intake system ever to not require any tuning whatsoever. Customers can expect greater gains once the boost is turned up and components are pushed to their max. Once we find the limit of the Street MAF we will test our Race MAF

Civic%20X%20Stock%20vs%20CAI_zpsjpqawfu0.jpg


Here is a comparing our 10th Gen Si when it was stock to everything that has been modified now. Very impressive results for no tuning whatsoever! Next comes the fun part... Tuning with @KTuner!

Does the bumper have to come off?
 


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If you need your daily laugh...I looked at the piping under the hood and am trying to figure out if the IC is air to air, or has coolant in it. I thought I saw the left side tube going into the turbo inlet. So what's the verdict?

On a side note, does anyone pop the hood after normal driving and think the engine is really freaking hot? Temp gauge is fine, just surprised how hot it is compared to my Jetta TDI.
 

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If you need your daily laugh...I looked at the piping under the hood and am trying to figure out if the IC is air to air, or has coolant in it. I thought I saw the left side tube going into the turbo inlet. So what's the verdict?

On a side note, does anyone pop the hood after normal driving and think the engine is really freaking hot? Temp gauge is fine, just surprised how hot it is compared to my Jetta TDI.
yes, and I think thats because the turbo is physically right in front of you, its next to the prop-up rod. Turbos run hot
 


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If you need your daily laugh...I looked at the piping under the hood and am trying to figure out if the IC is air to air, or has coolant in it. I thought I saw the left side tube going into the turbo inlet. So what's the verdict?

On a side note, does anyone pop the hood after normal driving and think the engine is really freaking hot? Temp gauge is fine, just surprised how hot it is compared to my Jetta TDI.
Yeah these motors/engine bays are extremely hot. The prop rod will burn you if you don't grab the foam, but even then. I've monitored temps for months now with Ktuner and it sucks. I'll be changing my grille out to the open honeycomb w/emblem, plus the Downpipe will help remove heat quicker without the cat, the cai will help with initial IAT temps, plus FMIC for secondary IATs. Lots of improvements to power to be had just through temp reduction....
 

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yes, and I think thats because the turbo is physically right in front of you, its next to the prop-up rod. Turbos run hot
Guess I need that FMIC then :)
 

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Yeah these motors/engine bays are extremely hot. The prop rod will burn you if you don't grab the foam, but even then. I've monitored temps for months now with Ktuner and it sucks. I'll be changing my grille out to the open honeycomb w/emblem, plus the Downpipe will help remove heat quicker without the cat, the cai will help with initial IAT temps, plus FMIC for secondary IATs. Lots of improvements to power to be had just through temp reduction....
Which honeycomb w/emblem are referring to?
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