Release Dates for Si

thr33lions · May 5, 2017

zroger73 said:
Honda said the Si would go on sale in May. If the press drives happen on May 24th and the embargo on reviews is lifted on June 6th, perhaps the cars will be for sale at dealers between May 25th and 31st, which is the date range I've been thinking for the last month. It would be unusual for buyers to buy the cars before the press was able to publish reviews, but somewhere in the back of my mind it seems like I read that this might be the case.

After all the delays and secrecy if Honda weren't to meet their promise of May sales there'd certainly be a significant backlash. If what I heard is true, in Canada, that pricing would be revealed on May 9th it makes perfect sense orders could be placed and cars on the lot by the last week in May. Wish I knew someone at the Alliston plant which is only an hours drive from me because they would have to be in production by now..., surely a leaked photo will emerge.

dmitri · May 5, 2017

A dealer just mentioned that it will be in EXTREMELY (his caps) limited supply and will go for MSRP (along with Type R) at least in the beginning. I was hoping for the Si to be slightly below/have some room but I guess not...

He also confirmed they don't know what colors they're getting yet.

Shankmeyster · May 5, 2017

Just hold out for a couple months or wait til one of them is sitting on the lot for a week or 2. Then they may play ball.

Stock_07 · May 5, 2017

dmitri said:
A dealer just mentioned that it will be in EXTREMELY (his caps) limited supply and will go for MSRP (along with Type R) at least in the beginning. I was hoping for the Si to be slightly below/have some room but I guess not...
He also confirmed they don't know what colors they're getting yet.

Stock_07 · May 5, 2017

dmitri said:
A dealer just mentioned that it will be in EXTREMELY (his caps) limited supply and will go for MSRP (along with Type R) at least in the beginning. I was hoping for the Si to be slightly below/have some room but I guess not...
He also confirmed they don't know what colors they're getting yet.

Makes sense, why would the give out deals if the car is just released? Interest rates will be high as well

joe007 · May 5, 2017

Just wait a month or two, price will be below MSRP. It doesn't make sense to pay a premium for this car, you can buy the EX-T right now and tune / add what you want for cheaper. Don't fall for dealer propaganda.

zroger73 · May 5, 2017

dmitri said:
A dealer just mentioned that it will be in EXTREMELY (his caps) limited supply and will go for MSRP (along with Type R) at least in the beginning. I was hoping for the Si to be slightly below/have some room but I guess not...
He also confirmed they don't know what colors they're getting yet.

I think we can all agree that the proportion of Si trims relative to non-Si trims will be very small - just as it has always been.

A dealer can and will price any vehicle higher than the highest amount they think they will get knowing that people will try to negotiate. I ignore all that bullpoop. I research the vehicle, determine how much I am willing to pay for it, then I send out an email blast to multiple dealers with my offer. I make it clearly known to each what I am doing. Each time I do this, some won't even respond. Some will come back with a counter offer. Some try to play games to get me to talk to them over the phone or in person. Almost always, one or two will accept my offer. At the end of the day, I drive to the lowest or only bidder and go get my car.

It's obvious that initial demand > supply for the Si more so than "normal" vehicles. I don't expect to be able to buy one near the dealer's actual cost, so my offer will be adjusted accordingly. However, I've never paid MSRP or above for any vehicle and never will. I'm almost as "thrifty" as the mom on Fresh Off the Boat.

Another member on here sent me a screen shot of his dealer's order screen showing the Si they were being allocated. The color of each Si was indicated although there was no VIN. A dealer local to me confirmed his system shows they have been allocated one black Si sedan. All Honda dealers utilize the same APEX system on the Honda Interactive Network, so the available information should be consistent across all dealers. Since I personally have confirmation of colors with my own eyes from two different dealers, I must conclude that dealers who "have no idea what colors they are getting" are either lying, ignorant, or both (which is typical of any car dealer).

Stock_07 said:
Makes sense, why would the give out deals if the car is just released? Interest rates will be high as well

Interest rates are not directly affected by supply vs. demand. The exception to this would be low-interest promotions provided by the manufacturer to help clear out inventory.

Capital One, for example, couldn't care less about supply vs. demand - they base your rate off your creditworthiness not whether or not a particular model is "hot".

dmitri · May 5, 2017

zroger73 said:
I research the vehicle, determine how much I am willing to pay for it, then I send out an email blast to multiple dealers with my offer.

That's pretty close to how I've done it in the past. My wife's '99 CR-V we got on Dec 31st 1998 at less than $100 over the invoice, because the dealer (one out of 3 actively involved in that email-based negotiation) was going for the 'dealership of the year' award at the time

The last email from him, after a few continual discounts matching the others' prices, finally said he could take only $50 more off the final drive-out price and that was that; so I got it from him. That was fun, thinking back... Other purchases after that weren't nearly as dramatic, unfortunately...

Yeah will probably have to wait a month or so, as much as I hate that. One thing I really want to happen (which might also make me buy it sooner) is to get a car as close to "off the truck" as possible, not one that has been "test-driven" a bunch (by people who don't care) and has 100+ miles on it. Forget the break-in period, etc. I want a really new one -- or as close to that as possible. E.g. my TSX had 3 miles on the odometer when I took it home.

zroger73 · May 5, 2017

dmitri said:
That's pretty close to how I've done it in the past. My wife's '99 CR-V we got on Dec 31st 1998 at less than $100 over the invoice, because the dealer (one out of 3 actively involved in that email-based negotiation) was going for the 'dealership of the year' award at the time The last email from him, after a few continual discounts matching the others' prices, finally said he could take only $50 more off the final drive-out price and that was that; so I got it from him. That was fun, thinking back... Other purchases after that weren't nearly as dramatic, unfortunately...

Yeah will probably have to wait a month or so, as much as I hate that. One thing I really want to happen is to get a car as close to "off the truck" as possible, not the one that has been "test-driven" and has 100+ miles on it. Forget the break-in period, etc. I want a really new one -- or as close to that as possible. E.g. my TSX had 3 miles on the odometer when I took it home.

I was able to get my 2017 Ridgeline halfway between MSRP and invoice just days after they were released and before the dealer even got the first one on their lot. At that time and even months later, they were still selling at or above MSRP, although some buyers were able to manage about $500 below the MSRP of $30K-43K - some had thousands in accessories added on. I've never paid this much above invoice, but the model was brand new at the time, I had money burning a hole in my pocket, and there was a lot of pent-up demand for the second-generation Ridgeline. The first-generation Ridgeline was long in the tooth by the 2014 model year (it remained basically unchanged since 2005). The second-generation Ridgeline almost never was and only came about as a result of cries from a cult following and some concessions within Honda. Fortunately for Honda, it's been meeting or exceeding their expectations.

I must point out that the only reason I was able to get the deal that I did on the Ridgeline is because my neighbor is the GM of a Honda dealership and he owed me a favor after one of his employees lied about and refused to sell me a loaner CR-V I tried to buy previously. I had done my homework, so I already knew his cost on the Ridgeline, what they were selling for, and how high the demand was. As a result, I got a better deal than most with zero effort. I don't expect that to always be the case.

He no longer owes me any specific favors, though I have sent him a few sales in the last year so I'm confident he'll accept any fair offer I present for an Si. At the same time, I don't expect him to give a vehicle away and respect the fact that if I don't buy it - someone else will and probably at a much higher profit. I'm paying cash with no trade and I've already made it clear I want one fresh off the truck that hasn't been "test driven" (abused) and exactly as it left Honda (no dealer add-ons).

I'm already familiar with the non-Si Civic since my brother had a 2016 Touring. Between that and having read enough about the Si, I'm comfortable enough in buying one even without driving one. If I don't like it, then I'll just keep it in my garage, continue to drive my Ridgeline, and sell it to someone else.

dmitri · May 5, 2017

zroger73 said:
the only reason I was able to get the deal that I did on the Ridgeline is because my neighbor is the GM of a Honda dealership and he owed me a favor

Man I need to find one of those quick!!

thr33lions · May 5, 2017

dmitri said:
Man I need to find one of those quick!!

https://twitter.com/hondacanada/status/860622677702299649

Predicting we do get pricing and release dates next week.

DrwMDvs · May 5, 2017

I got an email just now stating that it's right around the corner. To me, that would mean next week (USA.) Corner to me would be the weekend. POW.

ZdH · May 5, 2017

I'm not interested in the SI at all or know anything about it. Im more dedicated to the Type R but a member on the Type R posted this today figured you guys might find this interesting.

Honda Civic 10th gen Release Dates for Si IMG_8218.PNG

GSquared · May 5, 2017

DrwMDvs said:
I got an email just now stating that it's right around the corner. To me, that would mean next week (USA.) Corner to me would be the weekend. POW.

Yep just got it too, I can imagine it will be the beginning of next week that we get info. My friend who is getting the Si said the dealer told him Tuesday. (Who knows if they know much, but it's something!)

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