New Civic Type R Feature Video

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Why are you even here? Just to compare apples to oranges? Go get a hobby or maybe some friends, if that's not too hard for you to accomplish.
Yep, it would seem only complete fan boys are allowed. One can never say Honda picked the ugliest body, Honda has taken more than two decades to release it, no, any negativity on the R has to be from died in the wool hater "chevy" guys.

I liked Honda, I own a ITR, 9th gen and 10th gen. I can still HATE the underspec, long delayed and now super UGLY type R.

1997 type R 14.6 at 101 in the 1/4 and .91g skid (real world turning), near neutral
1997 LT1 Camaro 13.8 at 105 .88g skid, understeer to powr oversteer
1997 4.6 Mustang 14.3 at 102 .86g skid, massive understeer, and skittish oversteer

No the Type R was not a drag racer but it was quick enough and real world handing in actual real world tuns (vs transiet response for autoX) was the best in the business.

2018 Type R 13.7 at 105 1.xg skid, probably slight understeer,
2018 1le Camaro 12.2 at 116 1.xg skid, neutral, to control oversteer
2018 GT Mustang 12.5 at 114 .98 skid, slight understeer, to dunno.

1.5 seconds and 11 mph is a lifetime both on the 1/4 and the street. It is a spankdown ready to happen and Honda needs to have the most bold calling card of any winged vehicle made that I'm a bad boy. Like I've said better pretend you are on your IPhone at any light, or open road way, keep you eyes forward and wear shades.

Will the CTR dominate at the tracks dunno, not as much as the ITR driven by mortal drivers like myself did against Mustangs and Camaros. Clearly the world has changed and Honda did a jump forward vs a leap when it comes to what is actually out in the wild aka street.

Track we will see, I've already seen 1le and a few Shelby show up, soon there will be Golf R and Focus RS, will the CTR dominate? I don't know, but I don't think it will be the tracked focused ITR of yesteryear vs whatever else was for sale.

Now to the looks, I think the 10th gen sedan with tasteful mods is the best looking Civic ever and the second best looking Honda period (ITR the first). IMO, notice opinion the hatchback is the ugliest Civic ever and it is tie with the 2001 to 2004 Civic SI hatch. Opinion of course. I've stated such before. IMO the car is broke over ugly stick ugly.

Is it a flop? I think it is, this is the ONLY 2.0T that the tuner crowd can buy, unlike the B16 in the Del Slow, Integra B18c and Civic SI to the K20 and K24 in Civic SI to TSX, There was a huge following as the engines were readily available (both domestic and JDM). The 2.0T is in a few cars / vans world wide et al, I think (just me) it will come in the Accord coupe and possible the ILX. This means scant few, aka handfuls of K20 turbo engines. It also means long development times, expensive aftermarket. This is NOT what generates hot pocket rocket car fan support. First the SI has a 1.5T (my prediction was correct) and now this. The performance crowd has been on the fence and with this 1 / 2 punch I can see the fans headed to the door. Some are just going to build poser cars that look good in their opinion like the Seibon 4dr, and most are looking at VW, Ford, or Muscle cars which are more just plain performance 2 door cars as they do more than accelerate quickly.

A much more likely avenue of development is for the fan base is buy a 2.0 manual 4dr Civic and adding in a turbo supercharger (I think turbo because of the new exhaust forward configuration, vs the 9th gen that a supercharger was much easier). LSD and suspension. I'd even speculate that if the 2.0T comes out in the accord with CVT we will see an enchanced CVT being shoved into the Civic. Still this is going to be FAR FAR less than the Honda tuner crowd of old. The 1.5T in the SI has called the performance trend for the next decade. It is a great engine but it will be HARD put in a 3000 lbs car to match up with other FWD, AWD and especially RWD. That is the meta and Honda IMO has failed both in the meat and potatoes SI and now the flagship.

Not saying they aint' going to sell and that is what Honda is in, I'm saying the tuners are a moving cause 1.5T while it make a great car for me to buy my kid and toss on some addons, is not going to hold the fanboys.
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Yep, it would seem only complete fan boys are allowed. One can never say Honda picked the ugliest body, Honda has taken more than two decades to release it, not any negativity on the R has to be from died in the wool hater "chevy" guys.

I liked Honda, I own a ITR, 9th gen and 10th gen. I can still HATE the underspec, long delayed and now super UGLY type R.
Say it a few more times, no one here knows it yet. I can't guarantee it, but like 3 or 4 should do, maybe 5, maybe, but if they don't get it by then they're not going to. Everyone here is really stubborn! :rolleyes:
 

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This is a forum, I can say hate it. It is really horrible looking. For the price and the performance this is a SAD excuse for something that is not even out yet. 2 decades for this beast. LOL, here is my near stock SS last year:

It is 100 HP more now with simple bolt ons and a tune. Sorry but Honda has shown up to late, with an ugly car, with performance WAY below what can be had at the same price. Heck the Oldlady's Volvo is something like 362 HP from 2.0 liters.. funny. There was a time when an R meant something. Not 50 HP less than an Oldlady's Volvo engine of the same size, slower than a production Golf or Focus, absolutely destroyed on any type of true street performance from a Camaro SS to Focus.

After the DC5 Type R we all know the UK CTR over the past decade or more was a joke with a high school package on it. At least with turbo 2.0 R there was some potential to make a lightweight ridged track focused car, but alas it is a high school package on steroids with HP specs and acceleration specs FAR below other cars.. 2 seconds slower than my SS 0-60 funny two seconds! 50 HP below a Volvo, about the same HP as a STI has had for what a decade or more. I've already owned my SS for a year, where is the type R? Um still vapor. Sorry if this car was sold say 4 years ago on a 2013 SI coupe I'd be wow. But now, well not now cause nobody can buy it and at an unknown price. Really pathetic attempt to bring back Honda into the performance arena. When Honda loses people like me, they have really lost their way.

Buying and owning a Type R in 1997 = wow. Buying and owning a 2018? Type R... um better hide from just about any other new performance car 35K up as even a Volvo will take it down hard... Camaro SS... LOL absolute embarrassed....

Oh I autoX and road race too... we will see.
Always respect others opinions. From what I have read so far it appears that your focus is more on the street which would translate into 0-60 times, HP, etc. Given that, yes a high HP car such as yours should do well. It is s incredible to see how far some of the top end NA muscle cars have come on that front. Some will even fare OK on a track... initially. But weight is an enemy on a track, and it will slowly cause brakes to overheat, engines to heat soak, etc.

On the track, I fully expect that the Type R will hold its own and then some against cars that would appear more powerful on paper. I fully expect that this thing will hunt/grind down heavier cars slowly but surely in every corner. It should also stand up very well to the punishing driving track/road course conditions that will cause other cars to fail earlier. So if you are a track guy, or are inclined that way, the Type R should still prove to do very well. I'm betting for the money this caR will put a lot of bigger league cars to shame (on the track).

As for body style, I personally am very happy Honda selected the hatch for the Type R as it allows it to have some practical use for the odd grocery run, etc. If I happen to come across a muscle car on the way to the grocery store, of course, I have enough sense not to even try them on. That's not what this caR is about and that's not why I'm going to buy a Type R.

For what it is worth.
 
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Honda is sticking to their roots with the CTR. They decided to keep it FWD. This is a modern take on the CTR and it is the most powerful and fastest FWD ever. I agree it is late.... Competition is moving forward and evolving while Honda got stuck in a rut relying on their K20/k24 to last them over 15 years. This cost them. Now I dont hate Honda for sticking to their guns, but the potential of a FWD chassis is much more limited than AWD and RWD. Who knows maybe the CTR will sell very well. I think it will sell good for 1-3 years, then the fanboys will be satisfied. After that Honda will have to go back to the drawing board for the CTR. The Si being a sporty daily commuter has a much higher chance to sell well.
 


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Great, never said I was a god, unless you know some hot young girls; but I know what a straw-man argument is and you just want to spout off that is you that are god among race car drivers.. amen bro your a god.

I don't own any "turn key" cars, I leave that to professional instructors....

Sorry I did not know to be a forum member, I had to be a honda fanboy no matter what honda tries to sell.
1- WHY YOU ARE here we are STUPID FAN BOYS ARE WE?

I BELIEVE YOU EITHER SO LONEY HAVE NO SEX LIFE OR LACK ATTENTION seems you enjoy say shit and spend your empty life talk shit and post picture of your camaro.

i think there is a Camaro forum and all will hail you there..

Please go find a psychiatrist as we say in italian "Ma VAFFAINCULO!!"
 

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wow, so much drama over a car...Really!!! LMFAO:confused1::crazy::doh:...Yeah, what is it..everyone tracks their cars these days..Lol..
 

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Feel free to post your 0-60 times with your fictional AWD, a stock camaro is rated at 4.0 0-60 and magazine times show the best of 3.9 seconds... that is bone stock on a plain SS. Not some stripped out STI on 4 wheel drag radials on a prep track. But please post your street 0-60. LOL




Must hurt that a Volvo and Benz have 50 to 60 more HP on an R that is not even released, Benz has announced an all new 2.0 liter at 400 HP for next year. LOL that is funny. 3650 lbs fully independent suspension 455 HP car that can go to 550 HP with a few bolt ons is not "overweight". It is either HP per weight or weight per tire size that makes the car "overweight". But I'll play with you.
Type R 2550 lbs 195 HP = 13.07 HP / lbs
2018 CTR 3100 lbs 316HP = 15.90 HP /lbs
2016 SS 3650 lbs 455 HP = 18.72 HP / lbs
Which car is overweight? right.....
Per tire size
Type R stock 195 max 215 13.08 lbs per mm of tire patch stock, 11.86 max (JDM ITR had 205 tires)
CTR stock 225? max 235 13.78 lbs per mm of tire patch stock, 13.19 max
SS stock 275 max 305 13.27 lbs per mm of tire patch stock, 11.97 max

So which car is "overweight" LOL... oh and don't bring up staggered tire size on Camaro as I laugh at the CTRs weight distribution, which would drop the weight per contact path into the abysmal range.

We all know 2 seconds faster 0-60 is HUGE, does that make a Camaro a red light / highway queen. Please look at the US tracks from willow springs on down and you will see the 6th gen completely dominating and that is still the track, the Camaro is very composed on the street and its dynamic stability control is exceptional. Soon the Z/28 DSS shocks (the most advanced shocks in the world) will be out. So please with the highway queen as I've owned an raced a type R for decades.

I would be all over this:
http://www.civicx.com/threads/my-sema-2016-build-with-seibon-carbon.6311/

but instead we got a high school package
I'm not the only one that is noting Honda chose the absolutely worst looking Civic ever to build the type R on:

http://nseavoice.com/cars/2018-honda-civic-type-r-can-this-make-up-for-its-looks-920022587.html


"Many people agree that Honda has made a mess with regard to the design of the all-new Honda Civic Type-R. The basic design of the Civic hatchback divides opinion, but the range-topping Type-R really knocks it out of the park in the ugly department."
I think your 2018 CTR and your 2016 SS calculations are off, if your weight for the 2018 CTR is correct and hp is correct it should be

2018 CTR 3100 lbs 316HP = 9.81 lbs / HP
2016 SS 3650 lbs 455 HP = 8.02 lbs / HP
 

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Oldman, just some quick advice here. It's not that only fanboys can comment on this forum/car; trust me there has been plenty of negative feedback about the design of the CTR from a lot of "fanboys." We all know about your garage as you seem to feel the need to inventory it each time you post here. It sounds amazing and I'm sure you have the fastest 0-60 Camaro on your block & that your wife looks cool drag racing civics at stop lights in her Volvo. The point here is that you completely trash a car that you have never driven and isn't even for sale yet.

Of course, you can post your oppinions about the CTR, just don't expect to completely trash a car that you've never driven, nor is even on sale yet and expect no emotional response from people on a Honda forum. You obviously have a nice garage and have experience modifying sports cars, but writing a brief noval about it every time you post doesn't exactly put you in a favorable light. All your experience with Hondas SHOULD make you wise to the fact that Honda has NEVER been about 0-60 times, huge HP numbers or being the fastest car in the market. They build great cars that have amazing balance, are fun to drive & have unsurpassed reliability.

The design of this car is obviously very polarizing; I happen to like it more every time I see it and I have a sneeky suspicion that it will look even better in person (like most Honda cars do.) To each his own. My advice to you is to ease up on the patronizing rants, it really errodes your credibility and apparently pisses people off. I would expect to be treated less like a wise oldman if I went on a Chevy forum advertising my garage & completely bashing a car that isn't even available to drive yet. Not to be mean, but continually repeating the same information/stories over and over again really does make you sound like an oldman.

BTW, the SS is a nice car, plenty fast & I know you are proud of it, but comparing it to a FWD Civic doesn't boost your credibility on a Honda forum; it kind of just makes you look like a braggart.
 
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If we are doing the Camaro vs Civic comparison here, my old boosted '13 Si never lost to an SS once. Other lighter cars, yes, but not a Camaro SS. At 418whp, it was enough to put it's foot down against any heavy SS as long as traction was there. Was very nice seeing angry SS drivers since the car looked stock. :)

I agree the CTR is a tad low on hp honestly, but with a simple tune I think it will be perfect and may even hold it's own in a line. That's not the main focus of the car anyways, but who knows.

I do disagree about it looking horrible though. I don't mind the looks one bit and am excited to get one finally.

Like everyone has said, everyone is entitled to an opinion, we just try to respect everyone's in a manner that doesn't downplay the other side of the coin. Also, the car isn't out yet, let's see what the NYIAS brings in terms of info.
 

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