2018 Civic Type R Could Debut in April (U.S.) with 335 BHP

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Before I scrolled down, 32 was the exact age in my head, haha. I don't know if I see anyone above like 45 owning this, though...the "mature" (read: not me) crowd might think its too boy-racerish. But if I'm wrong, hats off to the 45 and up crew :headbang:



Agreed. Look at the Miata, prime example. Sure isn't a bat out of hell, but definitely highly revered. A complete package >>>> driving in a straight line.
the Miata is also not 45k.

But as an over-40, I plan on getting the CTR or Si, depending on the numbers. I intend to use it, like my present Civic, in auto cross and rallys.

For me, I've always like the "JDM" and tuner crowd going back to the early 90's,
The CTR, almost like the NSX, was always an unobtainable dream, now one of them has changed, and I am in a position I can finally get one.
 

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Does anyone know if the UK edition Type R came with any of the safety features available with the standard editions of the Civic? I'm meaning lane assist warning, Collision Mitigation Braking System, etc.? I'm wondering if the newest Type R would have these features.
Only CMBS (City Brake) and Lane Keeping, but it can read road signs!
Think the '18 will also have a form of ACC (without Low Speed Follow).
 
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That's a pretty good question. I'm guessing average age will be 32. People coming out of college that get good jobs and have manageable debt will be the younger buyers and I'm guessing 65 will be the upper range due to the harshness of this type of vehicle. Younger people who aren't thinking about car seats in the back just yet maybe also... I'll have booster seats in mine but there seems to be ample space.

Highschoolers will have to have their parents pay, and I really wouldn't think it's a sensible car for a youthful or immature driver.
23 over here and have been saving for about two years to purchase it!
 

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23 over here and have been saving for about two years to purchase it!
Good job man! Not to play old-man on you, but I messed up when I bought my 99 Si at 19 for $16,800. Really couldn't afford that car. Pay cash if you can!!
 


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Edit: Nvm. Probably shouldn't be posting stuff that might attract unwanted attention.
 

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The ctr will do just fine commercially, that is my opinion. Doenst matter if it sells at 32k or 40k.

If the outdated STi can survive the CTR should have no problems. Even if it loses money, Honda is successful and big enough a company that I am sure they can take the hit.

Plus it doesnt hurt to offer something in their lineup that is somewhat of a halo car for enthusiast and younger customers.
 

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That's a pretty good question. I'm guessing average age will be 32. People coming out of college that get good jobs and have manageable debt will be the younger buyers and I'm guessing 65 will be the upper range due to the harshness of this type of vehicle.
When you're Honda for life lolll

 


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I've been struggling reading this forum thread (and others) because I just can't get through my head how in the hell 335 horsepower can go exclusively to the front wheels. I understand what the LSD will do and I know Honda has some suspension components that work with the diff that helps eliminate torque steer, but I still can't see that much power going to the front wheels. I've driven FWD cars with 250 and 270 horsepower and it was the farthest thing from sorted. The FK2 was and is praised for its lack of torque steer and immense power output, so I don't foresee Honda deviating from that with a CTR that's highly anticipated, such as this 10th generation. If I'm being ignorant, I encourage someone to share their view on the matter -- I and many others are here to learn, after all.
 

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Well, actually there are plenty of FWD cars with north of 300HP, including an Acura. Granted, not many are billed as the nimble ninja of the both street and track.

There are numerous examples of FWD cars that have been boosted, blown, and blocked to well north of 1000hp, so it can be done.

Here's an article on the physics involved:

https://www.wired.com/2014/01/the-physics-of-a-front-wheel-drive-muscle-car/
 

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I've been struggling reading this forum thread (and others) because I just can't get through my head how in the hell 335 horsepower can go exclusively to the front wheels. I understand what the LSD will do and I know Honda has some suspension components that work with the diff that helps eliminate torque steer, but I still can't see that much power going to the front wheels. I've driven FWD cars with 250 and 270 horsepower and it was the farthest thing from sorted. The FK2 was and is praised for its lack of torque steer and immense power output, so I don't foresee Honda deviating from that with a CTR that's highly anticipated, such as this 10th generation. If I'm being ignorant, I encourage someone to share their view on the matter -- I and many others are here to learn, after all.
My last car was a 2013 Si with a PRL Turbo kit -- GTX3071R -- with 418whp, 360ish on low boost. The main issues were: traction on stock tires and the clutch dying (even with Stg 4 CC -- I heard it was just back in for another clutch and I sold it a year ago, surprised it lasted that long to be fair.)

Other than that, the power was fine. (Get new tires and a better clutch basically.) The torque steer really wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. I don't think they will have problems with low 300s.

They seem to be addressing both of these issues as they are putting one of the best tires on the market on the car and I'm sure it will have an updated clutch for the power it is shipping with.
 

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I've been struggling reading this forum thread (and others) because I just can't get through my head how in the hell 335 horsepower can go exclusively to the front wheels. I understand what the LSD will do and I know Honda has some suspension components that work with the diff that helps eliminate torque steer, but I still can't see that much power going to the front wheels. I've driven FWD cars with 250 and 270 horsepower and it was the farthest thing from sorted. The FK2 was and is praised for its lack of torque steer and immense power output, so I don't foresee Honda deviating from that with a CTR that's highly anticipated, such as this 10th generation. If I'm being ignorant, I encourage someone to share their view on the matter -- I and many others are here to learn, after all.
Do a little research on the revo-knuckle and the GM hiPer Strut and you will begin to understand how the power is managed. Honda is doing something similar with the R.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/ford-revoknuckle-and-gm-hiper-strut-explained-tech-dept
http://ae-plus.com/features/honda-civic-type-r-chassis/page:1

Of course, Honda has indicated that this car is a completely new platform, so we will see how they manage the power. I expect the front strut system will be very similar to the outgoing R, however.

Advancements in technology are a beautiful thing.
 
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Well, actually there are plenty of FWD cars with north of 300HP, including an Acura. Granted, not many are billed as the nimble ninja of the both street and track.

There are numerous examples of FWD cars that have been boosted, blown, and blocked to well north of 1000hp, so it can be done.

Here's an article on the physics involved:

https://www.wired.com/2014/01/the-physics-of-a-front-wheel-drive-muscle-car/
Agreed... Like the article above notes, the trick is to get the center of mass (and thus angular momentum) as far forward as possible. For the CTR I have some guesses for the model differnces:

  • some excellent alloys for the rear suspension subframe (I wonder if that's why they made an entirely separate rear suspension subframe for the stock models in the first place...)
  • ultralight rear wheels to minimize unsprung weight
  • no spare tire
  • greater use of composites on non-structural components
  • stripped or minimized carpeting, insulation and lining in cargo area
  • ultralight seating
  • no rear sub-woofer (possibly relocated)
  • lighter glass (regular models have heavy sound-insulating glass) and less sound-deadening in roof and sides
  • reposition compressor and alternator to front 1/3 of engine
  • enlarge radiator and improve thermo efficiency without much concern for weight (possibly copper or brass core?)
  • move front brake calipers forward and make 4-piston
  • beefier front suspension to handle altered weight profile and enhanced nose dive
These are just a few of the easy mods that may show up to make a 340+BHP motor fun and effective in the new CTR.

Obviously, I can't wait to see what the brilliant Honda Engineers did! :D
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